Curse

MithranArkanere · Jun 05, 2009, 02:24 PM // 14:24

I've read once or twice suggestions about turning books with other characters, but that cannot be made. Why? Because they give quite some Experience. Turn the books with another character, and you get a play-less survivor.

So, I suggest to add another option for the books that give character-based reputation points:
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Norn
- Vanguard

RECOMMENDATION LETTERS.
- How to get one?
* Max the title of that reputation.
* Fully complete a book of that reputation.
* Talk to an Historian an ask for a "Recommendation Letter" with the completed book in your inventory.

- What do you get by asking for a Recommendation Letter?
* 100% of the Experience.
* 75% of the gold you'll get by just giving away they book.
* No reputation points.
* One recommendation letter of that reputation rank for each completed entry of the book.

- How are Recommendation Letters?
* Reward trophies, like ZCoins or Imperial Commendations.
* Account limited and nontradeable with other accounts, like ZCoins.
* Tradeable between characters of the same account, like ZCoins.

- How do you use Recommendation Letters?
* You must have reached at least rank 1 of the corresponding title.
* You must not have maxed the title either.
* Now, talk to the corresponding historian with the letters in your inventory.

If you do that correctly, it is considered that one of your characters interceded in behalf of the one giving the letters and the NPC says something in the lines of: "A friend of the guy that gave this letter guy is a friend of ours". And then the second character gets a number of reputation points for each recommendation letter in your inventory, depending on the title.

This way, you'll be losing part of the gold to send some points you don't need (you already maxed the title) to your other characters.

Hailey Anne · Jun 05, 2009, 05:35 PM // 17:35

None of the titles are that hard to get or take that long either with exception of a few.
Just go do them.
SS/LB very easy and doesnt take long to do. Just vanquish and youll have most of your title.
Kurz/Lux can be maxed in less than 80 hours of play and is account wide.
Any of the eotn reps can be maxed in just a few hours of play.
No need for anything like this.
/notsigned

alluring athena · Jun 05, 2009, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Care to enlighten us on how you max ANY eotn titles in only a few hours?

How about Kurz or Luxon in 80 hours?!?

You've been living in a dream-world Neo

Spiritz · Jun 05, 2009, 06:25 PM // 18:25

athena i see your a fairly new guru member - if you take a look in farming section there was 2 posts - mqsc and dtsc .
mqsc is lux faction and i think gets around 10k lux per 10 min run so making a possibly 60k an hr which you donate at your lux guild.
dtsc is kurz version and does around 16k per 15 mins run .
Both are able to get your luxon or kurz title in 80 - 100 hrs ... go into farming and read the posts and then visit the outposts to see ppl doing the sc and ask them for details on the faction - both are also classed as FFF - fast faction farming.
eotn titles - there are ways to get titles fast , doing books and handing in , raptors for asuran , kegs for norn , snowmen for dwarf and err vq for charr.
Keg farming could max the title if done right id say easily in 100hrs.
Vaetires alone once reached would yield on avg 150 - 200 points for a 2 min run - multiply by 30 and you have 'FPH' Faction per hr ( i lay claim to that term now lol ).

Neo`s in reality now :P

alluring athena · Jun 05, 2009, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Well that's very interesting however the original claim is

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hailey Anne

Kurz/Lux can be maxed in less than 80 hours of play and is account wide.

Not the 80-100 hours you claim is possible

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hailey Anne

Any of the eotn reps can be maxed in just a few hours of play.

I don't know how you define a few hours but i personally would say that's about 3-5 hours but certainly not 100 as you have indicated is required.

Keg and raptor farming aside....
Can you max deldrimor or vanguard titles in just a few hours
The claim was that any of the eotn reps can be max.

All too literal? Well there is a difference between slight exaggeration and living in a dream world. All I am offering is the truth. Nothing more.

Spiritz · Jun 05, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Depends if p;ayed on an event weekend doesnt it
Also remember that donated faction is usally doubled if you of that faction - donate 60k faction and get 120k title faction.
There is now also the zcombat which also boosts faction earned.
Sadly it appears a troll has arrived so im off as feeding trolls isnt gd for the community

Hailey Anne · Jun 06, 2009, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by alluring athena

Care to enlighten us on how you max ANY eotn titles in only a few hours?

How about Kurz or Luxon in 80 hours?!?

You've been living in a dream-world Neo

You absolutely can. On both/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritz

athena i see your a fairly new guru member - if you take a look in farming section there was 2 posts - mqsc and dtsc .
mqsc is lux faction and i think gets around 10k lux per 10 min run so making a possibly 60k an hr which you donate at your lux guild.
dtsc is kurz version and does around 16k per 15 mins run .
Both are able to get your luxon or kurz title in 80 - 100 hrs ... go into farming and read the posts and then visit the outposts to see ppl doing the sc and ask them for details on the faction - both are also classed as FFF - fast faction farming.
eotn titles - there are ways to get titles fast , doing books and handing in , raptors for asuran , kegs for norn , snowmen for dwarf and err vq for charr.
Keg farming could max the title if done right id say easily in 100hrs.
Vaetires alone once reached would yield on avg 150 - 200 points for a 2 min run - multiply by 30 and you have 'FPH' Faction per hr ( i lay claim to that term now lol ).

Neo`s in reality now :P

^ This. Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alluring athena

Well that's very interesting however the original claim is

Not the 80-100 hours you claim is possible

I don't know how you define a few hours but i personally would say that's about 3-5 hours but certainly not 100 as you have indicated is required.

Keg and raptor farming aside....
Can you max deldrimor or vanguard titles in just a few hours
The claim was that any of the eotn reps can be max.

All too literal? Well there is a difference between slight exaggeration and living in a dream world. All I am offering is the truth. Nothing more.

Yes you can max both of those in a few hours of play.
Few as in maybe like 9-10.
I do it all the time. Dungeon runs to fill HM books. takes 3 books to fill one title doesnt take that long if you know how to run them yourself.
Kurz can be done in 80-100 hours of dtsc on average. but with good teams can be done in less.
Ive been in teams that take 8 minutes to do the [email protected] faction.
Double that to title = 36k take 10 mil to max title.
so about 30 runs would be 1 mil faction to title. which take about 5-6 hours
300 runs or less to max [email protected] min ea is 50-60 hours. there ya go. My math may be slightly off but not by much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritz

Depends if p;ayed on an event weekend doesnt it
Also remember that donated faction is usally doubled if you of that faction - donate 60k faction and get 120k title faction.
There is now also the zcombat which also boosts faction earned.
Sadly it appears a troll has arrived so im off as feeding trolls isnt gd for the community

Just lol.
But ty for furthering my point to athena.

HawkofStorms · Jun 06, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Spiritz, just because somebody doesn't know something in the game doesn't make them a troll.

I am also doubtful of 80 hours. Even doing the speed clears, under 80 hours is a bit rough, and assumes you won't be doing ANYTHING else (bathroom breaks, other missions, etc) and have no turn around time forming a team or going to the merchant). People in GW tend to brag a lot about how they can do stuff super fast, but never take into account stuff like that into their calculations.
Plus Hailey's "8 minute teams" are inaccurate because he is selectively sampling. He's only mentioning his best times, ignoring those that were longer then that (I'm sure you've been on SCs where somebody screwed up and it tacked time onto your run).

Understanding the math and going 300 x 10 = 60 hours, isn't the same as real world experience where you actually factor in the human component.

MithranArkanere · Jun 06, 2009, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Note that you won't be sending ALL the points given by a completed book. Only part of them. And that you won't be able to max the title, neither give the title to a character that hasn't been in the area.

The idea is that once you have maxed the title once, you can send part of your surplus points you don't need to other characters you play less with.
The more characters max the title in an account, the more spare points the remaining characters get, but that doesn't mean that you'll make it easier than getting the points with that character. Because that other character would be getting more points by playing and completing the books themselves.

So, why this? So you can play with the characters you like, without having to switch to another just to max their skill-related titles.

hallomik · Jun 06, 2009, 12:26 PM // 12:26

In general, I like it.

Character who fills the book / creates the letter gets the experience.

Character who turns in the letter gets reputation, but no experience.

You can't abuse the system to get survivor. However, would this make EotN too easy for new characters that have bunches of letters? You could create an incentive to repeatedly grind missions on the characters that completed the game instead of just playing the game with your new characters.

I would certainly be personally happy if they added this feature, but worry it would lead to grind versus normal gameplay. Perhaps the letters shouldn't be usable until you hit rank 4.

upier · Jun 06, 2009, 12:49 PM // 12:49

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
No.

I am having trouble getting to my FIRST maxed title. The whole reason why I would want to be able to transfer points from one guy to another is so that I can max one guy's title instead of being stuck with a bunch of guys that all have something around 5 in their ranks.

Making the GWEN titles account-wide would be an even better solution though. Anything else is just like the longer weapon spells buff to Spawning - it IS a buff, do not get me wrong, but it's completely useless in practice.

MithranArkanere · Jun 06, 2009, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Nope, because you'll get less points.
You won't be getting points from killing enemies.
Neither from quests.
Nor from Vanquishing.
And you'll be getting less points per entry (or letter) than by completing a full book.
And, of course, you won't max the title like that. The last tier of each title would require to get the points yourself (that is, less than 60k for EotN titles, 35k for Sunspear and 25k for Lightbringer), and you won't be getting the first one, so you'll have to get to the areas that give points first.

You'll just be sending some 'surplus' points to get to the penultimate a bit sooner. Just a bit of grind reduction.

It's like when someone climbs a mountain and drops a rope so others can climb too. It's easier for them to climb, but they have to climb themselves.
The more characters get to the top, the more ropes the ones down can use to climb.

Hailey Anne · Jun 07, 2009, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Spiritz, just because somebody doesn't know something in the game doesn't make them a troll.

I am also doubtful of 80 hours. Even doing the speed clears, under 80 hours is a bit rough, and assumes you won't be doing ANYTHING else (bathroom breaks, other missions, etc) and have no turn around time forming a team or going to the merchant). People in GW tend to brag a lot about how they can do stuff super fast, but never take into account stuff like that into their calculations.
Plus Hailey's "8 minute teams" are inaccurate because he is selectively sampling. He's only mentioning his best times, ignoring those that were longer then that (I'm sure you've been on SCs where somebody screwed up and it tacked time onto your run).

Understanding the math and going 300 x 10 = 60 hours, isn't the same as real world experience where you actually factor in the human component.

I said PLAY time.
I also didnt say that everyone WILL do it in this amount of time.
I said it CAN be done.
Please read carefully before posting.

This can absolutely be done in less than 80 hours.
And when you have a guild that is experienced you dont have to worry about finding pug groups that may fail.
My average time is 11 minute runs yielding 18k faction which is 36k towards title.

still /notsigned

MithranArkanere · Jun 07, 2009, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Yah, can be done, and my suggestion REQUIRES it to be done at least once, and the more times it is done, the more it benefits the player¡s other characters. But some players have 10 characters. And 1 hour multiplied by 10 is 10 hours.

So, unless you find a way to play with 10 characters at the same time, this is something actually good.

The thing is, that you'll have to use the books for yourself first to max the title sooner or use any of the effective farms again an again. Either way, not a single point is given for free. Just moved half of them (or less) to a cahracter between ranks to make less important wich character you play, so you can pick a character whenever you want without being so forced to stick with one to ma all titles.

draxynnic · Jun 07, 2009, 06:44 AM // 06:44

To be frank... the discussion on Kurzick/Luxon titles is probably irrelevant. By the time you've maxed it once, that's all you need to do.

Regarding the others - I'd probably be tempted to say that you should be able to do this with any book that you can no longer turn in yourself (so EOTN normal mode books once you've reached R8, Nightfall books once you've reached the relevant ranks in Sunspear and Lightbringer). Again, though, the normal mode books can't take a second character as far as doing it themselves can achieve - so an EOTN normal-mode letter of recommendation can only get a character to R7 and so on.

On the time taken argument - some people don't enjoy farming, and alternate means to gain points are good for them. Just because YOU play the game a certain way doesn't mean you should force it on others.

On the making things easier for future play-throughs of the campaign... the player has almost certainly played through at least once to be able to do this in the first place. Is it really such a bad thing for the player to have an easier time playing through with a second character? Said player would have an even easier time playing through again with their first character, after all, and the sense of discovery has already been experienced the first time through. It would also help to eliminate having to repeat 'gain X reputation points' quests, like at the start of Nightfall.

The only issue I can see on the 'ruining the story by making it too easy' side is if the things are tradeable - and that could easily be fixed by making them untradeable like zcoins. Besides, plenty of first-timers get the benefit of having more experienced players helping them with missions as it is - would this really be all that much worse than buying a run? Personally, I'd consider it better for the player's experience than buying a run.

Miss Puddles · Jun 08, 2009, 09:53 PM // 21:53

I'm sorry, I had a hard time translating the OP, what is the actual point of these letters? As I understand it would be like a star of transference but with books??

draxynnic · Jun 09, 2009, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Basically, as a means of transferring surplus faction points to a character that needs them more.